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luck, um, for your third flight."},{"start":2241.31,"end":2241.92,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":2241.92,"end":2244.4,"text":"And thank you again for coming today to tell your story."},{"start":2244.4,"end":2246.32,"text":"It really has been amazing to have you here."},{"start":2246.32,"end":2247.28,"text":"Well, thank you, Leah."},{"start":2247.28,"end":2249.6,"text":"It's been a pleasure, and I really enjoyed it."},{"start":2249.6,"end":2250.57,"text":"So I appreciate it."},{"start":2250.57,"end":2250.88,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":2269.36,"end":2269.48,"text":"Thanks for sticking around."},{"start":2269.36,"end":2271.84,"text":"I hope you learned something today."},{"start":2271.84,"end":2275.17,"text":"You can check nasa.gov for the latest space flight schedules."},{"start":2275.17,"end":2282.76,"text":"You can also find us on nasa.gov/podcasts, as well as on Johnson Space Center social media accounts, including Facebook, X, and 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